Comments on: Included? http://www.thephilfiles.com/2008/05/05/included/ Musings & messages on everyday worship, Jesus, and the stuff of life. Mon, 08 Mar 2010 17:49:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Jonathan http://www.thephilfiles.com/2008/05/05/included/comment-page-1/#comment-2886 Jonathan Thu, 05 Jun 2008 01:26:56 +0000 http://www.thephilfiles.com/2008/05/05/included/#comment-2886 Loved the artical, and as usual was touched by the thoughts, and hte questions you raised. It is very troubling to still find individuals who are so self involved in their little world that they miss the big picture. Not only do I feel they are wrong in hopin gto make all people like themselves, but because of that are intolerant of those who are not. As a sidelight. the individual got their facts wrong as many people were passed through Ellis Island with little or no English as a language. Jesus was with the common man without distinction, and offered his grace and teachings to all. Loved the artical, and as usual was touched by the thoughts, and hte questions you raised. It is very troubling to still find individuals who are so self involved in their little world that they miss the big picture. Not only do I feel they are wrong in hopin gto make all people like themselves, but because of that are intolerant of those who are not. As a sidelight. the individual got their facts wrong as many people were passed through Ellis Island with little or no English as a language. Jesus was with the common man without distinction, and offered his grace and teachings to all.

]]> By: Debra http://www.thephilfiles.com/2008/05/05/included/comment-page-1/#comment-2817 Debra Sat, 10 May 2008 00:28:31 +0000 http://www.thephilfiles.com/2008/05/05/included/#comment-2817 A couple of years ago my son toured some European countries with a student ambassador group. As part of his preparation, he was expected to learn some words and phrases in the languages of the countries he\'d be visiting. If he were to live in one of those countries, he\'d need to learn more than a few phrases--he\'d need to study the language and become conversant in it, which would no doubt take months or even years. There are people in America who cannot claim English as their primary language. Yes, they should learn English, but that takes time. It is more difficult for adults to learn a second language, and I have been told that English is a very tough language to learn. I think it is perfectly acceptable to present God\'s Word not only in Spanish, but in any language. The original text wasn\'t written in English! Why should we complain when it\'s translated into another language? First Corinthians 9:22 says, \"I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.\" Paul didn\'t do the saving, but he did whatever was necessary to spread the gospel so that people could be saved. Would he have refused to speak Spanish? I don\'t think so. A couple of years ago my son toured some European countries with a student ambassador group. As part of his preparation, he was expected to learn some words and phrases in the languages of the countries he\’d be visiting. If he were to live in one of those countries, he\’d need to learn more than a few phrases–he\’d need to study the language and become conversant in it, which would no doubt take months or even years. There are people in America who cannot claim English as their primary language. Yes, they should learn English, but that takes time. It is more difficult for adults to learn a second language, and I have been told that English is a very tough language to learn. I think it is perfectly acceptable to present God\’s Word not only in Spanish, but in any language. The original text wasn\’t written in English! Why should we complain when it\’s translated into another language? First Corinthians 9:22 says, \"I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.\" Paul didn\’t do the saving, but he did whatever was necessary to spread the gospel so that people could be saved. Would he have refused to speak Spanish? I don\’t think so.

]]> By: Denise http://www.thephilfiles.com/2008/05/05/included/comment-page-1/#comment-2807 Denise Tue, 06 May 2008 17:48:46 +0000 http://www.thephilfiles.com/2008/05/05/included/#comment-2807 This type of remark makes me sad. I am thankful that I'm able to read God's Word in my native tongue & not have to know Hebrew, Greek & Aramaic in order to do so. The virtual world of the Internet is global in its nature. It is a blessing to read that people of other cultures have the opportunity to learn of God's grace & His gift of salvation in their native language, to read that this ministry is trying to go into all the world via cyber space. When one really thinks about it, the pilgrims and colonists didn't care about learning the "native tongue" when they arrived here. I believe your outreach to others in different languages is an act of love, the kind of love God calls us to in His Word, the kindo of love and respect we are to show to our neighbors, and to our brothers & sisters in Christ. May God continue to bless your ministry, and may you bear sweet, ripe fruit that is pleasing in His sight. This type of remark makes me sad. I am thankful that I’m able to read God’s Word in my native tongue & not have to know Hebrew, Greek & Aramaic in order to do so.

The virtual world of the Internet is global in its nature. It is a blessing to read that people of other cultures have the opportunity to learn of God’s grace & His gift of salvation in their native language, to read that this ministry is trying to go into all the world via cyber space.

When one really thinks about it, the pilgrims and colonists didn’t care about learning the “native tongue” when they arrived here.

I believe your outreach to others in different languages is an act of love, the kind of love God calls us to in His Word, the kindo of love and respect we are to show to our neighbors, and to our brothers & sisters in Christ.

May God continue to bless your ministry, and may you bear sweet, ripe fruit that is pleasing in His sight.

]]> By: Rakgole Mokolo http://www.thephilfiles.com/2008/05/05/included/comment-page-1/#comment-2806 Rakgole Mokolo Tue, 06 May 2008 10:52:49 +0000 http://www.thephilfiles.com/2008/05/05/included/#comment-2806 I am Black South African and unspeakably astounded by the \"English reader\". This is akin to how Jesus perecived the discotends in the \'Christian World\' - \'not everyone who says Lord, Lord will see the kingdom of heaven\'. I am not trying to judge others lest I be judged in the same measure. Frankly speaking, christians have to circumscise thier hearts and let the (greatest) one right inside of them do all. If you are a christian and are still having control of your life then you have to pray hard because you are still ruled by cheap and mortal favours of the earth. Christians are ONE big family and the question of language is very lousy to a TRUE christian. If one still thinks like the \"English reader\" then there is still some massive amount of work that one still has to do. Humility and surrendering to the one from above comes through the divine interconnectivity which one can only attain through seeking Him. Remember, he \'can do exceedingly abundantly above what you can think, imagine, expect or even ask for, according to the power that is at work within us\' - including accommodating if not tolerating other languages. Christian faith knows no boundary because we walk by faith and not by sight. Jesus is the master of change though He stays the same yesterday, today and forever. Stay blessed. I am Black South African and unspeakably astounded by the \"English reader\". This is akin to how Jesus perecived the discotends in the \’Christian World\’ – \’not everyone who says Lord, Lord will see the kingdom of heaven\’. I am not trying to judge others lest I be judged in the same measure. Frankly speaking, christians have to circumscise thier hearts and let the (greatest) one right inside of them do all. If you are a christian and are still having control of your life then you have to pray hard because you are still ruled by cheap and mortal favours of the earth. Christians are ONE big family and the question of language is very lousy to a TRUE christian. If one still thinks like the \"English reader\" then there is still some massive amount of work that one still has to do. Humility and surrendering to the one from above comes through the divine interconnectivity which one can only attain through seeking Him. Remember, he \’can do exceedingly abundantly above what you can think, imagine, expect or even ask for, according to the power that is at work within us\’ – including accommodating if not tolerating other languages. Christian faith knows no boundary because we walk by faith and not by sight. Jesus is the master of change though He stays the same yesterday, today and forever. Stay blessed.

]]> By: Betty http://www.thephilfiles.com/2008/05/05/included/comment-page-1/#comment-2803 Betty Tue, 06 May 2008 05:22:15 +0000 http://www.thephilfiles.com/2008/05/05/included/#comment-2803 As a child I grew up in a small Colorado town, alot of the people were Spanish/Indian and spoke Mexican. which is a cross of the two. Plus we had a few who came from Spain and spoke a whole different. set of words. There was a few folks from some other country there also.. When I visit the home of a classmate many had grandparnets living with then who spoke no english, I learned words as a kid in visiting with then , They taught me greetings , and the like, and to this day, 50+ years later, I remember the joy of learning and in doing so helped then learn.. God is so good. and we can be blessed by others by taking the time, to respect the different yes, but if you were in their shoes trying to learn to comucate wouldn't you like some one to help you instead of make things worse.. Jesus had compassion for others, and my mom use to tell us, you can get alot farther with kindness , or honey as ,, with anger and lemons. Yes people need to learn english here, and if I went to another country, I would think if I was to live there I would need to learn their langues. As a child I grew up in a small Colorado town,
alot of the people were Spanish/Indian and spoke
Mexican. which is a cross of the two. Plus we had a few who came from Spain and spoke a whole
different. set of words. There was a few folks from
some other country there also.. When I visit the home of a classmate many had grandparnets living with then who spoke no english, I learned words as a kid in visiting with then , They taught me greetings , and the like, and to this day, 50+ years later, I remember the joy of learning and in doing so helped then learn..
God is so good. and we can be blessed by others by taking the time, to respect the different yes, but if you were in their shoes trying to learn to comucate wouldn’t you like some one to help you instead of make things worse..
Jesus had compassion for others, and my mom use to tell us, you can get alot farther with kindness , or honey as ,, with anger and lemons.
Yes people need to learn english here, and if I went to another country, I would think if I was to live there I would need to learn their langues.

]]> By: Johnny G. San Antonio TX http://www.thephilfiles.com/2008/05/05/included/comment-page-1/#comment-2802 Johnny G. San Antonio TX Tue, 06 May 2008 03:34:45 +0000 http://www.thephilfiles.com/2008/05/05/included/#comment-2802 There are Bibles printed in thousands of different languages to reach 10s of millions of people in different nations. Now millions of people can be reached quicker through the internet. Whether their people in the U.S.A. (citizens or not), or in another part of the world, making the gospel available should be how we walk. For many of us it will be done in only one language, while some it will be in two or even more. And yet, even fewer, it will be through a translator. Our focus, though at times not easy, should always be Christ first, family and the rest will follow. Phil, thank you for your reading. I'm a child of the King because someone preached the gospel in my language and I was able to understand what they were saying. There are Bibles printed in thousands of different languages to reach 10s of millions of people in different nations. Now millions of people can be reached quicker through the internet. Whether their people in the U.S.A. (citizens or not), or in another part of the world, making the gospel available should be how we walk. For many of us it will be done in only one language, while some it will be in two or even more. And yet, even fewer, it will be through a translator.
Our focus, though at times not easy, should always be Christ first, family and the rest will follow.

Phil, thank you for your reading. I’m a child of the King because someone preached the gospel in my language and I was able to understand what they were saying.

]]> By: Terry Laudett http://www.thephilfiles.com/2008/05/05/included/comment-page-1/#comment-2801 Terry Laudett Tue, 06 May 2008 02:00:28 +0000 http://www.thephilfiles.com/2008/05/05/included/#comment-2801 Your critic has an American point of view rather than a Christian point of view. The message of Christ needs to be available in all languages. Thanks for standing up to the nonsense that people who don't speak or read English are inferior (and are not entitled to know Jesus Christ). Your critic has an American point of view rather than a Christian point of view. The message of Christ needs to be available in all languages. Thanks for standing up to the nonsense that people who don’t speak or read English are inferior (and are not entitled to know Jesus Christ).

]]> By: Claudia R http://www.thephilfiles.com/2008/05/05/included/comment-page-1/#comment-2800 Claudia R Tue, 06 May 2008 00:32:04 +0000 http://www.thephilfiles.com/2008/05/05/included/#comment-2800 G'day Richard, Phil and others. Like Richard, I am from Australia. An "adopted" Australian, originally from Holland, and I totally agree with Richard's point that this is the World Wide Web, not just the US Web.... I love reading Heartlight; I find the articles thoughtful and thought provoking... The more languages you can translate them into, Phil, the better! I for one confess to not often thinking about the fact that I am an "outsider" if it wasn't for God's grace extended to everybody who cares to accept it. Thank you for reminding us of that, Phil. You made me see once again how important it is to share my faith with non-christian friends both in words and, possibly more importantly, in deeds. God bless you and your team! Claudia R. G’day Richard, Phil and others.

Like Richard, I am from Australia. An “adopted” Australian, originally from Holland, and I totally agree with Richard’s point that this is the World Wide Web, not just the US Web…. I love reading Heartlight; I find the articles thoughtful and thought provoking… The more languages you can translate them into, Phil, the better! I for one confess to not often thinking about the fact that I am an “outsider” if it wasn’t for God’s grace extended to everybody who cares to accept it. Thank you for reminding us of that, Phil. You made me see once again how important it is to share my faith with non-christian friends both in words and, possibly more importantly, in deeds.

God bless you and your team!

Claudia R.

]]> By: Richard Rose http://www.thephilfiles.com/2008/05/05/included/comment-page-1/#comment-2799 Richard Rose Mon, 05 May 2008 21:02:26 +0000 http://www.thephilfiles.com/2008/05/05/included/#comment-2799 I'm from Australia, and while Australia uses English as it's national language I think it very narrow minded of Americans to think that they're the only one to read resources like Heartlight. I think this article should have made more of the fact that this is the "World Wide Web" and not just the "US Web". English, despite what its speakers may think, is not the "Lingvon Inernacio" that most English speakers would like to think it is. I would like to see Heartlight translated into Esperanto as that is the most likely language learnt in places like Asia, the Middle East and Europe as a second language and that will most likely reach more people in the world than individual languages would. Richard R. I’m from Australia, and while Australia uses English as it’s national language I think it very narrow minded of Americans to think that they’re the only one to read resources like Heartlight.

I think this article should have made more of the fact that this is the “World Wide Web” and not just the “US Web”. English, despite what its speakers may think, is not the “Lingvon Inernacio” that most English speakers would like to think it is.

I would like to see Heartlight translated into Esperanto as that is the most likely language learnt in places like Asia, the Middle East and Europe as a second language and that will most likely reach more people in the world than individual languages would.

Richard R.

]]> By: Joseph M Wadhams http://www.thephilfiles.com/2008/05/05/included/comment-page-1/#comment-2798 Joseph M Wadhams Mon, 05 May 2008 20:34:07 +0000 http://www.thephilfiles.com/2008/05/05/included/#comment-2798 dear Phil Im not an american im from the uk yes i too agree that people should lern our language but i must admit i couldent have put what you have answerd any beter my self when we speread the Gospel of God Christ crucifyd we never know who God is going to send to us i think you are right in what you have said how could they know if no one tells them & in there own Language Praise God for the RBC ministerys keep riching out to the Lost citys God bless your & your ministery In his service Joseph dear Phil
Im not an american im from the uk
yes i too agree that people should lern our language but i must admit i couldent have put what you have answerd any beter my self when we speread the Gospel of God Christ crucifyd we never know who God is going to send to us i think you are right in what you have said how could they know if no one tells them & in there own Language Praise God for the RBC ministerys keep riching out to the Lost citys God bless your & your ministery
In his service
Joseph

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